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  Who Is Fred Phelps, c. 2001 WBC member
 

The right way to raise a loving child.  One of Phelps' grandchildren at a picket rally
I'm Sure Jesus would be right there with you.
 
Fred Phelps' grandson Benjamin Phelps, convicted of assault and disorderly conduct in 1995. He was the person who informed his grandfather about the existence of the Internet and made the first "GodHatesFags" page
 
 Jael Phelps (right) and an unidentified WBC child protesting in Tulsa.
 


 
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The organization is monitored as a hate group by the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center.[3] Not only is Westboro opposed by supporters of gay rights, but the vast majority of Christian groups (even those who agree with Westboro that homosexuality is a sin) oppose Westboro's theology and practice, believing it to be incompatible with authentic Christian teachings.


                                                                                                                       

"If so called right-to-life nuts would put their efforts in violence management campaigns, they would actually be helping society, but their motive is not to help society, it's to score points with other right-to-life nuts and feel sanctimonious. A campaign designed to manage and reduce violence would not deliver the sanctimonious fix these nuts are addicted to"
Comment By jSTAR1955 On 6-10-08

For disciples of the Westboro Baptist Church, the Bible and free speech go hand-in-hand. Proclaiming "God hates fags" and "Thank God for dead soldiers," the small band of evangelicals from Topeka, Kan., has ignited a firestorm by spreading its gospel of damnation at the funerals of AIDS victims and slain soldiers.

Calling the protests an affront to grieving families, lawmakers in dozens of states are seeking new anti-picketing regulations.

Westboro has challenged such efforts before, forcing changes to Kansas laws and collecting more than $200,000 in legal fees. Faced with a growing backlash, Westboro may be headed back to court

“The scriptures are crystal clear that when God sets out to punish a nation, it is with the sword. An IED is just a broken-up sword,” Ms. Phelps-Roper said. “Since that is his weapon of choice, our forum of choice has got to be a dead soldier's funeral.”

The church, Westboro Baptist Church, is not affiliated with a larger denomination and is made up mostly of Fred Phelps's extended family members.  The Westboro Baptist Church

The Westboro Baptist Church is a hate group masquerading as a Christian church. Led by Fred Phelps, members of this church target homosexuals with messages of hate.

The group's extremist views and despicable behavior mark it as a cult of Christianity

"I'm a very sick man"

Westboro Baptist Church is an organization based in Topeka, Kansas, headed by minister Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr. and notorious for running godhatesfags.com and other websites expressing its condemnation of various groups (see "WBC Websites" below). Although its members identify themselves as Baptists, the church is one of many independent Baptist churches throughout the United States not affiliated with any known Baptist conventions or associations. The church describes itself as following Primitive Baptist and Calvinist principles, though it has been accused by others of Satanism or more lightly, Hyper-Calvinism.[1]

The group bases much of its work around the dogmatic belief that "God hates fags" (its best known slogan and the address of its primary website) and expresses the opinion that nearly every tragedy in the world is linked to homosexuality (specifically society's increasing tolerance and acceptance of gay, lesbian and bisexual people); they believe God hates homosexuals above all other kinds of sinners.[2] In addition to their anti-homosexual stance, the organization also possesses a strong anti-semitic stance, picketing Holocaust Memorials in an attempt to downplay the severity of the event, and holding the belief that "Jews killed Christ."

Fort Campbell, Ky. — Wearing vests covered in military patches, a band of motorcyclists rolls around the country from one soldier's funeral to another, cheering respectfully to overshadow jeers from church protesters.

They call themselves the Patriot Guard Riders, and they are more than 5,000 strong, forming to counter anti-gay protests held by Rev. Fred Phelps at military funerals.

Mr. Phelps believes U.S. deaths in Iraq are divine punishment for a country that he says harbors homosexuals. His protesters carry signs thanking God for so-called IEDs – improvised explosive devices – that are a major killer of soldiers in Iraq
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EXETER — The Anti-Defamation League has condemned the demonstration planned for Monday in Exeter by members of what it calls the "virulently homophobic" Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church.

Diane Kolb, associate director of ADL's New England Region, said she hopes her group's condemnation will encourage others to speak out against members of Westboro Baptist Church.

"We have issued the statement condemning the attitude and the behavior and the opinion of these folks," Kolb said. "The position of ADL is that we must counter hate speech with more speech so we have been working with all of the groups that have been targeted to encourage them to speak out. We are supporting whatever action or inaction that they feel is appropriate for their school."

The Anti-Defamation League, founded in 1913, is an organization fighting anti-Semitism through programs and services that counteract hatred, prejudice and bigotry.

Rev. Fred Phelps, 71, will lead his anti-gay crusade into town on Monday to protest Phillips Exeter Academy's decision last May to allow gay and lesbian faculty and staff to serve as dormitory parents.

The church also plans to protest against PEA alumnus Gore Vidal, an American novelist, playwright, and essayist well known for his attack of sexual norms. The group claims Vidal advocated jail for its members for picketing the funeral of an openly gay student beaten to death in Wyoming in 1998.

The ADL recently issued a report titled "In Their Own Words: Fred Phelps & The Westboro Baptist Church."

The report examines so-called "hateful" remarks the church in Topeka has made over the last decade.

While putting a public face on its crusade against homosexuality, the ADL contends in the report found on the organization's Web site that Phelps and the church have issued hate literature attacking blacks, Jews, other minorities and Christians with "great force."

The ADL maintains members of the church have staged protests at many non-gay events in some cases, targeting mainstream public officials and government entities that Phelps believes to be encouraging homosexuality.

The Westboro Baptist Church spreads its message using faxed fliers and news releases that are often posted on the group's Web site.

"Fred Phelps has made patently clear his mission of targeting gays with hateful rhetoric and public demonstrations," said Robert Leikind, executive director of ADL, New England region, in a written statement Friday. "What is less widely known about Fred Phelps is that he and followers of the Westboro Baptist Church have also attacked Jews, blacks and Christians. He and his church continue to spread vile rhetoric against many groups."

Portsmouth resident Tracy Singer said those who have a problem with the pastor's thinking need to stand up to him.

"Do you know what I would say to him if he came to town?" Singer asked. "I'd tell him he's wrong; God does love everybody, even him with his hateful ignorant view and we'll pray for his soul."

Instead of attacking a person for his or her race or sexual preference, Singer said his focus should be to denounce pedophiles.

"The focus about who needs to be a role model for others is distorted. It is about who has a healthy mind and a healthy heart," she said.

Singer pointed to how many men of organized religious organizations have been accused and convicted of sex crimes against children and young adults.

The bikers shield the families of dead soldiers from the protesters, and overshadow the jeers with patriotic chants and a sea of red, white and blue flags.

“The most important thing we can do is let families know that the nation cares,” said Don Woodrick, the group's Kentucky captain. “When a total stranger gets on a motorcycle in the middle of winter and drives 300 miles to hold a flag, that makes a powerful statement.”

At least 14 states are considering laws aimed at the funeral protesters, who at a recent memorial service at Fort Campbell wrapped themselves in upside-down U.S. flags. They danced and sang impromptu songs peppered with vulgarities that condemned homosexuals and soldiers.

The Patriot Guard was also there, waving up a ruckus of support for the families across the street. Community members came in the freezing rain to chant “U-S-A, U-S-A” alongside them.

“This is just the right thing to do. This is something America didn't do in the '70s,” said Kurt Mayer, the group's national spokesman. “Whether we agree with why we're over there, these soldiers are dying to protect our freedoms.”

Shirley Phelps-Roper, a daughter of Fred Phelps and a lawyer for his church in Topeka, Kan., said neither state laws nor the Patriot Guard can silence their message that God killed the soldiers because they fought for a country that embraces homosexuals.

During the 1990s, church members were known mostly for picketing the funerals of AIDS victims, and they have long been tracked as a hate group by the Montgomery, Ala.-based Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project.

The project's deputy director, Heidi Beirich, said that other groups have tried to counter the Phelps message but that none has been as organized as the Patriot Guard.

“I'm not sure anybody has gone to this length to stand in solidarity,” she said. “It's nice that these veterans and their supporters are trying to do something. I can't imagine anything worse, your loved one is killed in Iraq and you've got to deal with Fred Phelps.”

Kentucky, home to sprawling Fort Campbell along the Tennessee line, was among the first states to attempt to deal with Mr. Phelps legislatively. Its House and Senate have each passed bills that would limit people from protesting within 300 feet (about 100 metre) of a funeral or memorial service. The Senate version would also keep protesters from being within earshot of grieving friends and family members.

Richard Wilbur, a retired police detective, said his Indiana Patriot Guard group comes to funerals only if invited by family. He said he has no problem with protests against the war but sees no place for objectors at a family's final goodbye to a soldier.

“No one deserves this,” he said.

HELENA, Mont. -- A Kansas church group that abhors homosexuals and claims "God's hatred is one of His holy attributes" is planning a religious protest in Helena next month, targeting several area churches, the Montana Supreme Court, and the University of Montana.

The Westboro Baptist Church, based in Topeka, Kan., gave notice in a fax Monday of its intention to picket Helena's "pro-gay" churches, as well as the "fag-infested" University of Montana.

"We need to be sure the people of Helena call to mind that there is a God, a standard, and a day of judgment, and it's not OK to be gay," Shirley Phelps-Roper, a member of the Westboro Church, said in a phone interview Tuesday.

The six Helena churches targeted by the group are the Calvary Baptist, St. Helena's Cathedral, St. Peter's Episcopal, St. Paul's United Methodist, Our Redeemer's Lutheran, and First Presbyterian.

"You can put this mess right at their doorstep," Phelps-Roper said of the six churches. "They've carried the big lie that God loves everyone. Does he love those people that have been burning in Hell since the flood? These churches have enabled the sin that plagues this generation."

The group called its arrival in Helena a "religious protest and warning" that was initiated by a Montana Supreme Court ruling, which found that gay and lesbian partners of the Montana university system have the same right to health insurance benefits as their heterosexual partners.

The group's fax included a picture of the Montana Supreme Court, along with a reference to that court as the "People's Republic of Sodom."

Travis McAdam, research director at the Montana Human Rights Network in Helena, said the Westboro Church is led by Fred Phelps, the father of Phelps-Roper -- one of his 13 children.

Many of the church's congregants, which Phelps-Roper placed at 100, are related to Phelps by blood, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

Phelps, along with his family, has made a career protesting gay and lesbian issues around the country, including the funeral of gay murder victim Matthew Shepard. The Southern Poverty Law Center has classified the church as a hate group.

"Communities have resoundingly rejected these people," McAdam said. "They're generally treated with scorn by the mainstream, and they're not able to generate much sympathy and support locally. They're really the nastiest of the anti-gay groups that are out there."

St. Paul's United Methodist Church, one of six churches targeted by the group in Helena, said it will stand by its Doctrine of Social Principles despite the group's attack.

The Westboro Church has gained the attention of equal rights groups, including the Anti-Defamation League. The church's protest signs often bear such statements as "Fags Die" and "Hell is real: Ask Matt" -- a referring to the death of Shepard.

The ADL said the group's fliers, such as that received Monday, typically emphasizes the race or religion of those it believes are gay. This, according to the ADL, suggests that the church's hate goes beyond it's abhorrence for homosexuals.

"What appears to be anti-gay rhetoric is often a vehicle for the church's anti-Semitism, hatred of other Christians, and even racism," the ADL said.

By Michelle Firmbach, Exeter News-Letter Staff Writer

Relevant links
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
This site is the main website of Fred Phelps' church, The Westboro Baptist Church. The main goal of the site shows and explains why Phelps and his followers are against homosexuals. To get a better understanding of the Westboro Baptist Church, there is audio of Phelps' sermans, pictures of his picketing, news updates and archives.

http://blank.org/addict/
In 1994, Jon Michael Bell filed a lawsuit against The Topeka Capital-Journal saying the newspaper owed him overtime salary as well as clarification that his work on the project Addicted To Hate was owned by the newspaper. Bell's work appears on this Web site as part of the court case, therefore making it a public document.

http://fredthemovie.com/
This site is all about Fred Phelps. If you do not know much about him and want to learn, this is the place. There are videos clips, pictures, links, and text to help the viewer learn about the controversial Westboro Baptist Church pastor.

http://www.geocities.com/nottodayfredtopeka/
Unity Boulevard began shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, when Jared and a few friends protested Westboro's picketing. The number of picketers with Jared -- and support for the group -- swelled almost immediately. This is Unity Boulevard's site.

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/wbc/default.htm
This site within the Antidefamation League website provides viewers an overview of the Rev. Fred Phelps and his church Westboro Baptist Church. It also discusses the views his church has on other subjects. This includes religion (Jews and Christians), gays, blacks, and America itself.

http://godlovesfags.com/
This site provides all kinds of information about gays and lesbians for those interested in keeping up with the latest news. To do so, godlovesfags.com contains links to other gay/lesbian sites and what they are featuring each week. There are also essays and articles from those feeling a need to voice their opinion about this sensitive subject. And for those interested in keeping up with the Rev. Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, this site contains phelpswatch, which lists his current and future protests.

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
This site provides an archive af WBC faxes and is supportive of Rev. Phelps actions and message. It also includes a map of the United States citing various events as evidence of the wrath of God on humanity.

http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,4872,00.html
This is a story chronicling the formation and rise of the URL godhatesfags.com.

http://www.baptistwatch.org
A site dedicated to Matthew Shephard that informs visitors about the Westboro Baptist Church.

the funeral of gay murder victim Matthew Shepard, they held up signs reading "No Fags in Heaven" and "God Hates Fags." According to their Web site, they have staged "20,000" protests across the nation and around the world in the last decade.

Virulently homophobic, the Westboro Baptist Church has picketed the gay community at hundreds of events nationwide. Many of its fliers emphasize the race or religion of these individuals.

They believe that "God's hatred is one of His holy attributes." They are the congregants of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas.

Incorporated in 1967 as a not-for-profit organization, the virulently homophobic Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) considers itself an "Old School (or, Primitive)" Baptist Church. The Church is led by the septuagenarian Reverend Fred Waldron Phelps Sr., and many WBC congregants are related to Phelps by blood. His wife, several of his children and dozens of his grandchildren frequent the church.

While WBC has picketed the gay community at hundreds of events nationwide, most of the individuals protested by the Church are not homosexual. In fact, WBC most often targets people it mistakenly claims are gay or those it believes to be encouraging homosexuality. Many WBC fliers emphasize the race or religion of these individuals, suggesting that the Church's hate spreads beyond its abhorrence of homosexuality. What appears to be anti-gay rhetoric is often a vehicle for WBC's anti-Semitism, hatred of other Christians, and even racism, though in the 1980s Fred Phelps received awards from the Greater Kansas City Chapter of Blacks in Government and the Bonner Springs branch of the NAACP for his work on behalf of Black clients.

Trained as a lawyer, Fred Phelps was disbarred in 1979 by the Kansas Supreme Court, which asserted that he had "little regard for the ethics of his profession." The formal complaint against Phelps charged that he misrepresented the truth in a motion for a new trial in a case he had brought, and that he held the defendant in the case up to "unnecessary public ridicule for which there is no basis in fact." Following his disbarment from Kansas State courts, Phelps continued to practice law in Federal courts. In 1985, nine Federal court judges filed a disciplinary complaint charging him and six of his family members, all attorneys, with making false accusations against them. The Phelpses fought the complaint but lost. In 1989, Fred Phelps agreed to surrender his license to practice law in Federal court in exchange for the Federal judges allowing the other members of his family to continue practicing in Federal court.

In 1991, WBC staged its first public demonstration, targeting a park in Topeka allegedly frequented by gays. Thousands of protests have followed, and WBC shows no sign of slowing down. In addition to speeches on the picket lines, the Church spreads its hateful message via faxed fliers and "News Releases." These faxed documents also appear at WBC's notorious Web site, Godhatesfags.com, along with photos of Church pickets and a schedule of upcoming demonstrations. A second WBC Web site, Godhatesamerica.com, contends that the United States is "doomed" because it supports gays. According to Fred Phelps, "God invented the Internet for us to preach on."

The following quotations from WBC materials and other sources expose the Church's views on Jews, gays, Blacks, Christians and the United States. WBC's own words best demonstrate the wide range and disturbing nature of its hatred.

  • Fred Waldron Phelps, Sr. (founder and pastor of the Westboro Baptist Church, disbarred lawyer, activist, author; born 1929) and Margerie "Margie" M. Simms, wife of Fred Phelps (since 1952).
    • Fred Phelps Jr. (lawyer, born 1953), son of Fred Phelps, and Betty Joan (Schurle) Phelps (lawyer, born c. 1952), second wife of Fred Phelps Jr. (Phelps Jr.'s first wife died under suspicious circumstances, see Former Members section below)
      • Benjamin Phelps (designer of the Westboro website, born c. 1976), son of Fred Phelps Jr., and Mara Jones-Phelps, wife of Benjamin Phelps (daughter of Robert and Kathryn Jones, believed to be of Pittsburgh). They both have a daughter and son (born March 3, 2003 and March 13, 2006, respectively).
      • Sara Phelps (reported age 24 as of February 2005), daughter of Fred Phelps Jr.
      • Elizabeth "Libby" Phelps (reported age 22 as of March 2005), daughter of Fred Phelps Jr. She is one of the two Phelps granddaughters featured on a hidden camera interview broadcast by British television network Sky News.
      • Jacob Z. Phelps, son of Fred Phelps Jr.
    • Margie Jean Phelps (lawyer, born c. 1956), daughter of Fred Phelps. Margie is one of two Phelps daughters who write insulting response letters posted on the Westboro website; her collection can be found under the heading "Dear Margie". Phelps Chartered biography
    • Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper (lawyer, born c. 1957), daughter of Fred Phelps, and wife of Brent D. Roper (human resources lawyer for the National Association of Insurance Commissioners (NAIC), author, born c. 1963) (Brent is also her brother, as he was purportedly adopted by the Senior Phelps, however this is not confirmed). As with Margie, she writes insulting response letters posted on the website, under the heading "Dear Shirley". Shirley also is active in writing many of the WBC Epics. One of Shirley's many TV interviews Phelps Chartered biography

video of Shirley unable to asnwer questions about her sins

  • Samuel Phelps-Roper (born c. 1979), son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper, and Jennifer Hockenbarger (born c. 1977), wife of Samuel Phelps-Roper (since 2002)
    (see Hockenbarger clan discussion below)
  • Joshua F. Phelps-Roper, daughter of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Margy "Megan" Phelps-Roper (reported age 13 as of November 1999), daughter of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Rebekah Phelps-Roper, daughter of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Isaiah Phelps-Roper, son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Zacharias Phelps-Roper, son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Grace Phelps-Roper, daughter of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Gabriel Phelps-Roper, son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Jonah Phelps-Roper, son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Noah Phelps-Roper, son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Luke Phelps-Roper, son of Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper.
  • Jonathan Baxter Phelps (lawyer, born c. 1959), son of Fred Phelps, and Paulette Phelps (Ossiander) (high school graduate, born c. 1960), wife of Jonathan Phelps (Jonathan and Paulette were disfellowshipped from Westboro, see below, but were readmitted in 1988). Jonathan is considered to be the Phelps child most like his father in terms of being confrontational with opponents; he is reported to be highly vulgar in such dealings. Phelps Chartered biography
    • Jael Phelps (pronounced Jay-Ell, nursing student, unsuccessful Topeka City Council candidate in 2005, reported age 20 as of March 2005), daughter of Jonathan Baxter Phelps. Jael has been featured on MSNBC and several media outlets, and is one of Fred Sr.'s most ardent supporters. Along with Libby Phelps, she is featured on the Sky News interview.
    • Joshua M. Phelps, son of Jonathan Baxter Phelps
    • Jacob M. Phelps, son of Jonathan Baxter Phelps
    • Joseph Phelps, son of Jonathan Baxter Phelps
  • Rebekah Phelps-Davis (lawyer, born c. 1961), daughter of Fred Phelps, and Chris Davis (born c. 1955), husband of Rebekah Phelps-Davis and original member of Westboro Phelps Chartered biography
    • Micaiah Phelps-Davis (reported age 12 as of May 2004), son of Rebekah Phelps-Davis
    • Lydia Phelps-Davis, daughter of Rebekah Phelps-Davis
    • Deborah Phelps-Davis, daughter of Rebekah Phelps-Davis
    • Barak Phelps-Davis, son of Rebekah Phelps-Davis
  • Elizabeth Marie Phelps (lawyer, former Counsel for the Shawnee County Sheriff's Department, born c. 1962), daughter of Fred Phelps
  • Timothy "Tim/Timmy" B. Phelps (lawyer, born c. 1963), son of Fred Phelps, and LeAnn Phelps (Brown) (lawyer, born c. 1966), wife of Timothy "Tim/Timmy" Phelps
    • Daniel Phelps, son of Timothy "Tim/Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Timothy Phelps Jr., son of Timothy "Tim/Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Hezekiah Phelps, son of Timothy "Tim/Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Victoria Phelps, daughter of Timothy "Tim/Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Benaiah Phelps, child of Timothy "Tim/Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Danielle Phelps, daughter of Timothy "Tim/Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Elisha Phelps, son of Timothy "Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Caleb Phelps, son of Timothy "Timmy" B. Phelps
    • Shirley Phelps, daughter of Timothy "Timmy" B. Phelps
  • Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger (lawyer and YMCA fitness instructor, born c. 1965), daughter of Fred Phelps, and Charles F. Hockenbarger, husband of Rachel Phelps Hockenbarger (see Hockenbarger clan discussion below) Phelps Chartered biography
    • Stephen Hockenbarger, son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger
    • Rachel Hockenbarger, daughter of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger
    • Josaiah Hockenbarger, son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger
    • Gideon Hockenbarger, son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger
  • Abigail Phelps (lawyer and employee at SRS - Youth and Adult Services, Juvenile Offender Program, born c. 1968), daughter of Fred Phelps

In addition, Fred Phelps has one great-grandson named Seth Phelps; the exact lineage is unknown at this time. Another Phelps child, Malachai, was born in late 2005; it is unknown whether he is Fred Phelps' grandson or great-grandson.

The Hockenbargers

  • Charles William "Bill" Hockenbarger, calendar operator, member of Christian Identity and long-time friend of Fred Phelps, and Mary Hockenbarger (child care provider), wife of Charles William "Bill" Hockenbarger (since 1953), original members of Westboro
    • Karl D. Hockenbarger, son of Charles William "Bill" Hockenbarger, alledgedly a member of Christian Identity, and Deborah Kay Hockenbarger, wife of Karl D. Hockenbarger
      • Jennifer Hockenbarger (born c. 1977), daughter of Karl D. Hockenbarger, and Sam Phelps-Roper (born c. 1979), husband of Jennifer Hockenbarger (since 2002) (see above)
      • James Hockenbarger, son of Karl Hockenbarger
      • Katherine Hockenbarger, daughter of Karl Hockenbarger
      • David Hockenbarger, son of Karl Hockenbarger
      • Charles F. Hockenbarger (born c. 1974), son of Karl Hockenbarger, and Rachel I. Phelps, wife of Charles F. Hockenbarger (see above)
        • Stephen Hockenbarger, son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger and Charles F. Hockenbarger
        • Rachel Hockenbarger, daughter of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger and Charles F. Hockenbarger
        • Josaiah Hockenbarger, son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger and Charles F. Hockenbarger
        • Gideon Hockenbarger, son of Rachel I. Phelps Hockenbarger and Charles F. Hockenbarger

Other Westboro Members and supporters

  • Steve Drain (video producer, author of "Hatemongers", a biography of Fred Phelps Sr. portraying him in a positive light) and Luci Drain, wife of Steve Drain (Luci has written at least one WBC Epic)
    • Lauren Drain, oldest daughter of Steve Drain
    • Taylor Drain, youngest daughter of Steve Drain, reported age 13 as of April 2005
  • George Stutzman, original member of Westboro, marital status believed to be never married but unknown, some internet rumors have him previously involved in an affair with Margie Phelps (the daughter)
  • Theresa Davis (relationship to Chris Davis, if any, is unknown)

Estranged Members of the Westboro Baptist Church

As noted below, all these individuals are or were related to Fred Phelps. With the exception of Debbie Valgos (death), the individuals were voted out of the church and "turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh", and certificates of such were mailed to them. None of the estranged members have made any reported attempts to reunite with Westboro or the Phelps clan.

  • Katherine Phelps, (suspended lawyer, born c 1955), daughter of Fred Phelps.
  • Nate Phelps, (businessman, born c 1958), son of Fred Phelps, purportedly moved to Orange County, California in 1981 along with brother Mark (see above).
  • Dorotha (Phelps) Bird, (lawyer, born c 1964), daughter of Fred Phelps, reportedly practices law in a town just outside Topeka. Bird changed her last name as a sign of cutting off all association with the Phelps clan. Transcripts of Westboro sermons from the 1980s show that she was a "favorite" of Phelps and acted as his personal assistant; the reasons for the later disassociation with Phelps Sr. and Westboro are unknown. POST A COMMENT
  • Debbie Valgos, (college student, born 1954, died 1972), purported first wife of Fred Phelps Jr. (the couple purportedly eloped; however, no marriage certificate has been located, and the marriage may have been common law if it in fact ever took place). Valgos was never accepted by the Phelps clan, as her religious background was Catholic and she never fully accepted the Westboro doctrine. Died of an alleged drug overdose following a party at an army base outside Topeka. Mark and Nate Phelps maintain that Valgos was murdered and that Phelps Sr. was "probably" involved or at least knows something about her death. Interred at Mount Calvery Cemetery, Saint Mary's Church, Pottawatomie County, Kansas. Valgos told friends before her death that she joined only with the intention of marrying Fred Phelps Jr., and that her affiliation with the church ended after they were married; her membership also pre-dated the church's picketing campaign. Phelps Jr. later denied having any relationship, or even knowing, Valgos.

In addition, for a time in the mid-1980's Jonathan and Pauline Phelps were disfellowshipped from Westboro for "fornication" (premarital sexual relations which ultimately led to the birth of Jael Phelps). Pauline was evicted from the Westboro compound; Jonathan was allowed to remain but was placed under tight supervision. When Phelps Sr. realized that Jonathan was going to leave Westboro for his wife and daughter, having already seen four of his children leave the family completely, he allowed Jonathan's family to return to the Westboro compound. (For Phelps Sr. this has turned into a "blessing" of sorts, as Jael has become one of his strongest supporters, having been featured on MSNBC and various media outlets.) nndb.com

In 1993, as Phelps' name became controversial in his home town, his estranged son, Mark Phelps, wrote a letter to his hometown newspaper, The Topeka Capital-Journal:

I believe in God and the Bible, and my father's behavior doesn't fit the description of behavior that would show in the life of one who loves God; behavior characteristics such as Love, Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, Self-control. Instead, my father's behavior characterizes, I believe, Hate, Outbursts of Wrath, Contention, Jealousy, Vengefulness, Misery, Harshness, and Selfish ambition. He mis-states the truth about his own behavior, about others, about the Bible, with apparent ease and regularity. He behaves with a viciousness the likes of which I have never seen. He accepts no genuine accountability in his life and is subject to no one. His lifestyle betrays the sacred trust of what a pastor, husband, father and grandfather should be. I suppose if a comparison were made between the life of Jesus Christ and my father, there would not be much to compare.

I believe that Topekans are making a good effort to try and stop him and should continue to do so. He can seem very intimidating. He can use foul language and come across with a booming voice to the community, but the truth is, like the Wizard of Oz, when Toto pulls the curtain back, instead of this big powerful individual, it's only a small, pathetic old man. I feel sorry for my father as I would for anyone who displays this kind of hate and evil viciousness. These can only be the manifestations of tortured, injured and agonizing souls."  nndb.com

 


 

 

 

 



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WTC COLLAPSE FROM DEMOLITION

Just for starters, 9-11 represented the first collapse of ANY steel-framed building, allegedly from fire. Optimum Flame Temperature of Propane 3500°F, yet your BBQ doesn't melt or collapse when you grill.  If you believe Jet fuel can demolish a building with the precision of a demolition team, I submit to you that you are 100% incorrect and urge you to look at the evidence and scientific facts.  Seven of 8 airline black-boxes were destroyed that day, yet we are supposed to believe the passport of Satam Al Suqami flew out of his pocket, through the fire, and landed intact in the streets below? POST A COMMENT







Precision symmetrical implosion is an impossibility of nature.  And the fact that 3 high-carbon-steel-reinforced- core modern skyscrapers collapsed in this fashion due to random chaotic events is ridiculous. 

This clearly shows 4 corners collapsing simultaneously.
Note the symmetrical explosions on the floors below just before the upper section starts to freefall.

You can see the explosions come out as the central core columns are cut.  Thermate, is like a sparkler that slices through steel.  No natural degradation of structural integrity could result in such a perfect implosion.

Most spectacularly, no ‘official’ questions were asked about WTC #7!

Before impact, something appears from nowhere onto the left side of the World Trade Center, and as the plane gets closer, the object moves across the building about 70% across, and then the plane hits just beneath it. It then dances onto the fireball, then onto a buildings face more than a mile away in an instant!  What could it be?

This object was invisible to the people, it's only picked up by a few cameras that had IR, built in capabilities, and the Camera's actually picked it up, though this was invisible to any bystanders or people in other buildings.
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The Picture (left) is a section from the the actual FEMA photograph below, and proves, the fire from the jet fuel had already burned up within minutes, and left no significant heat.

Firefighters confirm this.  See what the firefighters and first-responders say here.  The woman is circled in white, she was identified, did not survive.

It is a simple scientific fact, that the steel could not be hot enough to cause a complete collapse, and cool enough to lean against.  The government is lying, wake up.  Sign the petition to release evidence. VIEW PETITION


View of a Military Expert:
Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed
The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's.
Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 °C (approx. 1517 °F) steel weakens at 800 °C (approx. 1470 °F) and melts at 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 °C (approx. 2010 °F). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions.


 
 

In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (left) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped.

The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards.
Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen.

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In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse.

The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave).
More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations.
As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 1000-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete.

 

Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins.
Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 °C (approx. 2890 °F) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 °F). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized.

They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally.
From SuanaLahti.net

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Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground.

In the picture to the left, the explosion is in theory, 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb.

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In the picture at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges. POST A COMMENT




Note the steel, turned to dust in front of your very eyes.

 

Steel pillars are turned into dust.  Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods. 

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For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air.

Ess1.2 Kt

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            Banberry 10 Kt underground WTCII

Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA.


So not only is the planes identity put into question by this extra equipment on it's fuselage, but it's origin is now in question as well.
  There is clearly an extra piece of non standard equipment which has been attached to this planes fuselage, which is alleged to have been Flight 175.

There has not been one single photograph found, showing this plane to have passenger windows. And many eyewitness accounts declaring as much, that this plane was not a commercial passenger plane, and that it had no windows. One of them was Mark Burnback, a Fox News employee.

     

 
  It is obvious after a closer look at all the news networks own footage from the day, that there is an extra piece of hardware, which has been added onto the fuselage. No plane with such a large extra piece of equipment mounted to its fuselage, could ever have taken off from Boston's Logan International that morning.

Possible missile exiting the WTC.

An engine would flail around like a bottle-rocket without a stick.

This is a precise undeviating lineal projectile, and it's trailing exhaust / smoke.

     
 

Are we supposed to believe that this is a natural result from airplanes hitting the upper floors in random places?

The biggest buildings in the world, 110 floors apiece digging their own graves instead of toppling over?

Does this look like right to  you?

High rise buildings imploding into the ground with demolition precision?

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A hot, vigorous fire would have blown out many windows in the building and would have burned a red or white color. This was not what happened. The fire in the World Trade Center was an ordinary smoldering office fire, as you see people escaping smoke, not heat.

'Weakening' of a steel structure in any capacity is NOT uniform, and could not result in a free-fall symmetrical collapse of any structure.

Holmes Theory of Deduction:
"When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

If you think It's possible for jet-fuel to collapse steel skyscrapers with demolition precision and symmetry 3 times in 1 day, you are either:

1) Insane
2) In Denial
3) Working for the neo-cons to perpetrate this lie

     
  Does this look right to you?

The WTC core-columns 'cut' like carrot sticks?

It clearly shows the core columns were 'cut' by explosives. Thermite / Thermate.  The evidence of explosives is absolute.

How do steel columns 'weakened by heat' end up cut with precision accuracy at the same level on every column?

Jet Fuel temp 1,140°
Minimum Melting point of Poor Grade Steel 2,500°

     
   Their were explosives in the building, firefighters confirm this.

So, if the WTC was brought down by explosives, you're probably wondering how they get there?

Weeks before 911, the WTC 1 and 2 had a series of bizarre security evacuations. 
This can be validated by numerous sources. 

They even cut the electricity within the entire buildings.
(many witnesses can validate this, just 'Google' it)
Something that had NEVER been done in the existence of the towers. 
According to security personnel, bomb-sniffing dogs were also pulled from the WTC!

So, on who's authority did such events take place?  Good Question.
Under the authority of the presidents brother, MARVIN Bush.
 

  Marvin P. Bush, the president’s younger brother, was a principal in a company called 'Securacom'

.Securacom provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines, and Dulles International Airport. The company was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm, on whose board Marvin Bush also served. [Utne]

According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down.

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As your eyes will tell you, the World Trade Centers collapses looked like controlled demolitions.  Below is WTC #7 Falling like a rock.  Here's the proof.
 

  Do you honestly believe this collapse you are seeing is natural, and not the result of planned precision demolition?  This alone should convince you that the 911 Commission report is a lie.

According to the law of gravity, it is possible to calculate the time it takes for an object to fall a given distance. The equation is H=(1/2)at2.
H=height
a=acceleration of gravity (10 meters per second squared)
t=time in seconds
 

 

The top floors aren't being demolished, they are being VAPORIZED. 

Everything above the cloud segmentation is turning to dust, while all below awaits termination

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Plug in the height of the building at 1,350 feet (411 meters) and we get 9 seconds. That is just about the length of time it took for the very top of the World Trade Center to fall to the street below. According to all reports, the whole thing was over in just about ten seconds.

It is as if the entire building were falling straight down through thin air. As if the entire solid structure below, the strong part which had not been burned or sliced or harmed in any significant way, just disappeared into nothingness. Yet this (within a small tolerance) is what we would expect to find if there had been a controlled demolition, because the explosions below really do leave the upper stories completely unsupported. The entire building pauses a moment, then goes straight down.

Any kind of viscous process or friction process should have slowed the whole thing down. Like dropping a lead ball into a vat of molasses, or dropping a feather into the air, gravitational acceleration cannot achieve its full effect if it is fighting any opposing force. In the case of the World Trade Center, the intact building below should have at least braked the fall of the upper stories. This did not happen. There was no measurable friction at all.  This proves controlled demolition.

No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel. In point of fact, most of the fuel in the jets was contained in their wing tanks. The thin aluminum of the tanks was pierced or stripped as the airplanes penetrated the walls of the towers, and the result was the huge fireball which was seen on national TV, where most of this fuel was burned.
 

 

Hydrogen  Explosion In Nevada

Note Cauliflower shaped cloud.

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The WTC Explosion

Note Cauliflower shaped cloud.

  This is not one of the towers, this is a nearby building.  What you are seeing is a huge chunk of the WTC that has been blown away, and crashed into the neighboring building.

Not consistent with the official story that heat collapsed the structures.

 

- Official "9/11 Commission" Report (2004)
"A jet fuel fireball erupted upon impact and shot down at least one bank of elevators."  Not according to firefighters that were in the buildings.


BBC Finds Alleged Hijackers Alive and Well
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1558669.stm
September, 2001, 20:41 GMT 21:41 UK.

 “Hijack 'suspects' alive and well”, Sunday, 23 September, 2001, 12:30 GMT 13:30 UK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm

 
Within hours, a massive media campaign to blame the attacks on Arabs, and specifically on Osama Bin Laden begins.
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This campaign has continued to the present day. Our traditional American form of government, unfortunately, may not survive -- the Patriot Act appears poised to supersede the Bill of Rights.

But, let's take a look at these supposed hijackers. There is plenty of evidence to suggest some were actually on the CIA payroll and had CIA ties.

Even more ominous, is the fact that at least nine (the nine highlighted faces) are still alive.

     

Badr Mohammed H. Hazmi, a San Antonio radiologist under arrest as a material witness, has used the alias of Khalid Al-Midhar, who is listed by the FBI as a hijacker on the flight that struck the Pentagon, according to documents distributed to law enforcement agencies. [Washington Post]

Three pictures of Almihdhar shown by the media.  [Cox News Service]

Eight days after the planes went down, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. distributed a "special alert" to its member banks asking for information about 21 "alleged suspects" in the attacks. The list said "Al-Midhar, Khalid Alive," raising the possibility that the real Almihdhar never died on the plane. But one Justice Department official called the listing a "typo."

While the FBI's confusion over Arabic names and identities was largely ignored in the American press, each blunder has made huge news in Saudi Arabia, casting doubt on U.S. intentions and convincing many Saudis that their country has been slandered.

"I want to think all this is a mistake," said a bewildered Khalid al-Mihammadi, 24, a computer programmer from Mecca who was named wrongfully in an early list of hijackers released by the U.S. Justice Department. "We are America's friends, and they do this to us. It isn't fair."

Al-Mihammadi, who spent nine months studying English in the U.S., said he was watching television at home when shaken friends saw his photograph on the news and began to call to see if he was still alive. [Chicago Tribune]

2. Majed Moqed: Possible Saudi national. Aliases: Majed M. GH Moqed; Majed Moqed, Majed Mashaan Moqed.
 

 
Moqed FBI Photo       Moqed ATM Photo: 9-5-2001

A “Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Student Identity Card” was found in the rubble at the Pentagon with Moqed’s name on it. Forensic examination indicated that it may have been fraudulent.
[9/11 Commission]

3. Salem Alhazmi: Possible Saudi national, possible resident of Fort Lee, N.J., or Wayne, N.J.  Named on the 2001 bin Laden video tape.

The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu.  He said had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago.
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Guardian]  [CNN]

4. Nawaf Alhazmi: Possible Saudi national, possible resident of Fort Lee, N.J.; Wayne, N.J.; San Diego, Calif. Aliases: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi.

    

5. Hani Hanjour: Possible resident of Phoenix and San Diego. Aliases: Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Saleh H. Hanjour.
 


Hanjour FBI Photo


Hanjour ATM Photo: 9-5-2001

Hanjour was the only suspect on Flight 77 the FBI listed as a pilot
"I'm still to this day amazed that he could have flown into the Pentagon," the former [Flight Academy] employee said. "He could not fly at all".

On Sepember 16 it was reported that Hanjour's name was not on the passenger manifest of Flight 77 because he may not have had a ticket. [Washington Post]

  • How was Hanjour able to board the plane if he didn't have his name on the manifest or a ticket?

  • If Hanjour's name wasn't on the manifest and he didn't have a ticket there can be no record whatsoever of Hanjour boarding Flight 77, so how did the FBI know he was on the plane?

Did Hanjour's name replace a Mosear Caned?

One of the hijackers aboard the plane that crashed into the Pentagon was stopped for speeding within a few miles of the military headquarters six weeks before the attack, police confirmed Tuesday.

Hani Hanjour, who is believed to have piloted the hijacked plane into the Pentagon, was ticketed Aug. 1 for driving 55 mph in a 30 mph zone in the 1800 block of South George Mason Drive, Arlington, Va., police said.

Three weeks after the stop, Hanjour mailed in a money order to pay a $70 fine and $30 in court costs, Arlington General District Court Clerk Kimberly Reazey said Tuesday. [Washington Post]

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July4, 2001
Larry SilverStein sign 99 year lease on WTC -The longer the lease, the better less he has to pay up front.  Silverstein dictates that a 3.5 Billion Terrorism clause in part of the deal, which exclusively covers acts of terror.  He tries to claim that the planes constitute 2 attacks, and asks for $7 billion.

Sep 6, 2001
3,150 Put-options are bought on United Airlines stock (a bet that a stock will fall)
4 times it's daily average.

Sep 12,001
7,294 put-options are placed on Boeing stock
5 x's the daily average

Sep 10, 2001
4,516 put-options are placed on American Airlines. 11 x's it's daily average

Oddities of the passenger flight lists and deaths also surround 911.

The names of the victims can be found on the CNN website.
Flight 11: of the 92 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only0 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these0 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Judy Larocque
Laurie Neira
Candace Lee Williams
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Flight 77: of the 64 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 14 are listed in the SSDI (22%)
Of these 64 people, only five on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
William Caswell
Eddie Dillard
Ian Gray
John Sammartino
Leonard Taylor
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Flight 175: of the 65 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 18 are listed in the SSDI (28%)
Of these 65 people, only three are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list:
Michael C. Tarrou
Gloria Debarrera
Timothy Ward
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Flight 93: of the 45 people who are listed as dying on this flight, only 6 are listed in the SSDI (13%)
Of these 45 people, none are on the 9-11 Compensation Fund list: No one

 


 
  Proof that Jets and Jet Fuel were not the cause of the WTC collapse.
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The frames from the pentagon video should look more like this:
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Project MASCAL participant pilots flight77.  Massive Irony gone unreported.
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  Republican Candidate Admits 911 was an inside job!
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  Some very Interesting parties have been caught examining 911Lies.org.
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The man in the video is not Bin Laden, not even close.
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If 911 was not perpetrated by people within our own government, why have the following entities visited this site?
The software screenshots you will see, are from LivePerson.com, and they have documented the following visitors:

RAYTHEON
LOCKHEED-MARTIN
US FEDERAL RESERVE
E.E.T OIL
HALLIBURTON
NASA

Don't you find it odd that Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin, The Federal Reserve, and big oil companies are the least bit interested in 911Lies.org? If they had ZERO CULPABILITY, logic dictates, they would not be at all concerned with sites like 911Lies.org. Obviously, this is not the case.
WHAT COULD ALL THESE DIFFERENT ENTITIES HAVE IN COMMON WITH 911LIES.org?
PROOF OF SITE HITS

There are family members of airline passengers, firefighters, police, and pentagon workers that died on 911, that are demanding the truth, and among other interested parties demanding the truth are ex-CIA, Hi-level conservatives, and former republican administration staff members, who all believe the 911 commission cannot be true.

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